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Mind Control in Canada - radio series - pt 9
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All of a sudden, boom, it's a narcotic and it's outlawed by FDA. What 
is the initial response of all these grey-haired fathers of psychiatry 
to making LSD an illegal substance?  Protest, it's a bad thing, it's
robbing us of a powerful psychotherapeutic agent, it's crippling our
research efforts.  These guys were hung out to dry. They were used by
Intelligence Agencies to gather therapeutic use of LSD, interrogation
use of LSD, psychotomenitic (sp) use of LSD and then when they had done
their job, LSD was just cancelled from academia. It was made illegal,
and then a whole disinformation campaign went along with that whereby
LSD was transformed from this wonderful therapeutic agent whose use was
advocated by the major leading figures in psychiatry into this horrible
thing that made children jump out of windows and bust up their
chromosomes.  It's called a "disinformation campaign". And it caught the
leaders of psychiatry totally by su rprise, which is hard to believe
since psychiatrists are such clever political strategists in general.
What about this whole creating Manchurian Candidate stuff which we see
now for a fact has been going on since WWII? And according to
Estabrooks, even back to WWI?  We now have established for a proven fact
that was going on during WWII, and the CIA was working on it in
Artichoke and Bluebird from 1951-53.  The Korean War only started in
1950.  The disinformation was that our boys went overseas there, they
got shot down, they got captured, the Communist Chinese worked on them
with these strange techniques we don't understand. The person who coined
the term "brainwashing" in a book was Edwin Hunter. He's a career CIA
officer. This was a term coined by the CIA to explain what was happening
to our boys in North Korea who were making bold statements about germ
warfare activities they had been involved in. Now it could be that part
of the Communist brainwashing strategy was to talk to these guys about
the ethical improprieties of biological warfare and bombing they
actually had been doing in North Korea. In any rate, they come home as
Manchurian Candidates. We are all bent out of shape because our boys are
talking Communism, so we say that we have got to start studying this
reactively and defensively because of what the Commies are doing. That
is the disinformation myth that has been adhered to by the Military
Intelligence community steadfastly from the Korean War to the present.
It's totally bullshit. It's disinformation. It's not a fact.  It's a
made up story to cover up the fact that actually we had operational
offensive use of this psychological warfare technology already in place
in WWII. We have a major disinformation campaign which has basically
fooled mental health professions and the general public concerning
brainwashing, concerning LSD.  Fortunately those are the only two
examples in human history.  This analysis does not apply to the False
Memory movement. There is no way it could conceivably be possible, you
will all agree, that there could be any nervousness in the Intelligence
Community about Manchurian Candidates spilling out into civilian
psychotherapies and that a disinformation program based on False
Memories would be required.  It is obviously absurd.  Nobody but a CIA
conspiracy nut would ever suggest that. I guarantee you that that
thought has never even crossed my mind until it just spontaneously
appeared at this moment. So you see, actually, in fact, the idea that
there could be a deliberate disinformation campaign element to the False
Memory movement is perfectly plausible, consistent with history, and
could be expected.  There is bound to be some sort of disinformation
strategy if in fact Manchurian Candidates have been leaking out into
civilian psychotherapy.  So here we have, with all of this
documentation, all of this proof ...  we know that it is perfectly
possible that people we are seeing in therapy who are claiming to be
victims of systematic military mind control experimentation are telling
us about what actually happened to them.  However, I am not a single
step further ahead than I was four years ago on actually documenting
that any single patient in treatment actually in fact was involved in
these mind control experiments.  There is no linkage at all from the
current patients in treatment to this documentation. So whether we are
ever going to get that or not, I don't know. (From audience: Mind
Control and the Military can be found on America On-Line on the internet
- "On Psych"-and there are websites).  Apparently there is a lot of
information about this on the web and on internet and AOl and elsewhere.
But the problem is, I don't go to chat rooms very often, but most of it
is totally banal, and silly and boring and a waste of time. So when you
go into the stuff on mind control, how much is garbage that you are
going to get, and how much is solid stuff that you can pursue and
document are you going to get is my question. I have no idea what the
answer is. But, as we all know, the truth is out there. (From the
audience: "how would I go about documenting that a patient I, or
somebody else, currently has in treatment, in fact was involved in that
kind of experimentation?")  Well, here's how the documentation has gone
so far. By the way, I have done Freedom of Information Act requests on
MONARCH at all Intelligence Agencies, and they have all denied it
exists.  The patient  apparently has no source of contamination for
specific MONARCH memories, but has the word Monarch in her mind, and has
very specific detailed Monarch-type mind control memories.  Her father
basically abused her domestically and ritualistically, and then took her
over to the mind control people.  How she got there, what the transport
mechanism was .. plane, car, location is all vague because she appears
to have been all drugged out then transported. Is it possible that her
father could have been this kind of person? Well, I have his military
service records which I got through the Freedom of Informatiion Act, I
have a lette r from him in prison where he is imprisoned for mob crime
connections, I've got a mother and a sister corroborating the domestic
incest, the sister with some patchy corroboration of ritualistic and
mind control memories, I've got the father personally connected to Jack
Ruby. That's as far as it goes.  It's sort of circumstantial and
intriguing.  So the way I would attempt to document it would be if the
person tells me (most people can't tell you the specific name of the
doctor) but if somebody gives you a specific name of a doctor, and gives
you a specific location, and you can establish that this doctor actually
existed, and you can establish that in fact this doctor was a CIA
employee, and you can establish that this person's father was imprisoned
by the FBI as part of a Mafia raid by looking at the journal articles
that the patient has, then you are starting to get closer and closer. So
it is your basic investigative reporting type stuff. Name the specific
base. Okay what do yo u know about the base?  How did you get there?
Tell me about some buildings?  Tell me about personnel. Describe the
uniforms.  What was used?  And then if you can get another subject who
was there at the same time ... that's just the way it is. It is your
basic investigative reporting. Which is way beyond being a therapist.
There is no therapeutic obligation to do this. This is mega beyond duty
to take collateral history. So I don't think there is any mystery as to
how it would proceed. And it will proceed probably in the same way as
the history of declassified information since WWII. In about, I think
1988, stuff was released to the Senate and the Congress and then to the
Press about all these radiation experiments.  Nobody did anything. It
didn't even get into the newspapers. It was in the public domain for
five years before it finally hits the newspapers. Now we've got this
government report that is 900 pages long on all the radiation
experiments, including giving radiation to children and radiation to
pregnant mothers and the children of those pregnancies dying of leukemia
by age five.  This is huge, big stuff. Everybody was apathetic, didn't
think it was newsworthy, didn 't even put it as a little trailer item in
the New York Ti mes. This is no longer vague.  We know the specific
names of people, when they died, whether it was plutonium or whatever
was injected, the names of the doctors, the names of the medical schools
where it was done, it's all keyed up for compensation, the government
has set up a whole compensation mechanism. If we look at the Tuscagee
Syphilis Study ... it is worse than the creation of Manchurian
Candidates. It was set up in Tuscagee, Alabama in the 1940's.  The
experiment is-you've got 400 rural, dirt-poor black guys with active
syphilis and 400 controls. These people are followed without treatment
into the 1970's. The people who are involved in the Tuscagee Syphilis
Study (it is a huge long list and I can't remember all the details of
it) but it includes the County Medical Society, the administration of
the study was actually taken over by the Centre of Disease Control, the
Surgeon General, the American Heart Association, all kinds of people
were witting, knowledgeable and awar e of the study and ap proved its
ongoing nature well into the 60's and into the 70's, in complete
violation of all known medical ethics. Well okay, that was kept kind of
secret. Nobody heard about it except some of these medical bigwigs.  No.
I have a medical paper from the medical school published in 1965 called
"Untreated Syphilis in a Male Negro - A 20 year follow-up".  This stuff
is published, right in the medical literature. It is looking everybody
right in the face.  What happens when you have 400 illiterate rural
black guys with active syphilis untreated, for 40 years? Well, the
outcome of the experiment is, you will be very surprised to hear, they
don't do too well, they develop a lot of disease, and they die young.
They do another thing.  They breathe air. There is another behaviour
that  we can predict in these guys. They eat food. Going down the list?
They urinate and defecate. Continuing along with basic human functions,
they have sexual intercourse with women. Anybody who has been to medical
school will tell you it is 100% guaranteed that if you take 400 black
guys with syphil is and do not treat them, the rest of t heir lives, you
are guaranteed to be creating cases of congenital syphilis. The entire
medical community knows this as an elementary fact that you learn in
first year medical school, it is published in the medical literature,
and it's condoned by all levels of the old boys network in world
medicine. This is totally unbelievable and completely factual. This
Manchurian Candidate stuff is like Mickey Mouse Psych stuff. It's not
even heavy duty. The nurse who was the head of the Tuscagee Syphilis
study throughout its duration, actually got an award from the Public
Health Service because of her work on the Tuscagee Syphilis Study. The
individual guys have gone and testified at the Senate. You can read the
book, "Bad Blood" and these guys are named as individual human beings.
Which individual human beings who are victims of military mind control
research do we already know?  Harold Blauer, the tennis pro who was
killed. Frank Olson who was killed because he jumped through a window
because he took LSD mixed with Cointro by Sidney Gottlieb,
administrative Head of MKULTRA who I talked to on the telephone.  When
was the Olson family compensated? He died in 1955 or something.  They
were compensated by the President in 1977 I think it was. The reason the
wife and surviving children figured that in fact this was not a simple
suicide was they read the Rockefeller Report on CIA activities published
in 1975 in which the case was described without him being named.  So,
they are reading the Rockefeller Report, and they realize their
husband/father was actually killed by experimental LSD and they are
compensated for 3/4 of a million dollars.  One of the people who
testified at the Committee hearings at the S enate in 1975 was a
technician for Amadeo Morazzi who was the guy who w as the Head of
Edgeware Arsenal where Paul Hawk got his LSD and  mescaline from who was
funded by the Air Force while he was at the University of Minnesota.
His research assistant whose name is Mary Ray(sp) was given a dose of
experimental LSD which resulted in an acute psychotic state for which
she was admitted to hospital for which I have her medical records, and I
am in contact with her lawyer and I am going to go up and get her story
in more detail.  She talks about a room that was involved in the LSD
research called "The Leaf Room" so when you were on your LSD trip that
was administered by Amadeo Morazzi you were taken into the Leaf Room
which was a room where all surfaces of the room were totally covered
with leaves. This is weird stuff.  She also was connected into a bunch
of other stuff. I am not going to go into all of it, because it is a
little weird, but it is two hops from Mary Ray to Iran Contra. So she is
a real person who exists. I know her lawyer. I talked to her lawyer on
the phone. I am going to fly up there. I am going to interview her. I
have her medical records. And the way this works is the stuff that is
happening now is not going to be declassified for 20 or 30 years.
Eventually we will have the names of people who were victims of
experiments in the 70's and 80's and 90's. We already have the names for
the 50's and 60's, not really into the 70's. We have the names of
specific people who were victims of the Tuscagee Syphilis Study and the
radiation experiments into the 70's.  That's the way it goes.  You are
just pushing back that curtain and there's always this lag time because
you are relying on the views of the Intelligence Community or public
apathy ... "it was back in the Cold War" "it's different now" "we joined
the boy scouts and we don't do that anymore".  So there is always a
disinformation strategy for wh y it happened a long time ago and we
don't do it now and we are very regretful and we are so regretful that
we in fact agree to compensate these victims. In Oregon there was a
prison where men were paid to be subjects to participate in radiation
experiments. Their testicles had been irradiated so they would get paid
a certain fee to participate in the radiation of their testicles.
Special arrangements were made so Catholics couldn't participate in the
study because they couldn't use birth control so they might give birth
to genetically mutated children ... so it had to be only non-Catholic
participants. There was an extra fee, it was a little bit fatter, if you
would agree to testicle biopsy to see if the radiation was dropping the
sperm count. When 9 of these people pressed their case to the State
Legislature in Oregon in either the late 70's or early 80's, in its
magnanimity, the Legislature agreed to compensate them for a total of
$3000 for all nine subjects. So this is the way it goes in trying to
document this stuff and trying to make it public and identify the
specific individuals. IT'S A BIG SLOW JOB.  And when you make Freedom of
Information requests it's like interacting with any Federal Bureaucracy.

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